Questions about the new procedures at the range?

[DETN8R]

I am a KCR member I pay my due's as expected yearly and have done so for the last 5 years. I drive 54 miles one way to go to the range, I generally like to make a day of it. Lately my last 3 times to the range have been less than fun. Today was no exception I didn't even unload a gun from my car. The range is half full but because the range is half roped off it was shoulder to shoulder. I appreciate the new safety process in place and the control the range officers have but there is no need for their attitude. This is still a customer related event and their attitude should reflect this. I do not go to the range to challenge their authority and argue with them I go to have a good time so please stop being mean and nasty. The one officer that walks around with the locked and loaded 1911 in the tactical holster please dude no one is planning on ambushing you. I don't understand the premise of only using one half of the shooting line, could a KCR staffer please explain this. I know for me at this time and with the economy as bad as it is my next years due's will stay in my pocket and I will find a more enjoyable place to shoot. This thread is by no means meant to start trouble, I am just making suggestions. Please re-evaluate the recent changes and keep the good and adjust the bad. Thanks.

[Toddstang]

+1. The old range nazi guy needs to go. I can understand wanting to enforce safety, but this guy needs to catch a clue. And for ropping off all the shooters to the right side of the range where the ground is not even level, that bites too. I only see these tactics running off the regulars. I can understand the chamber flags but not an asshole attitude towards experienced shooters. KCR has allways been a place that I have told friends about and have brought many new shooters to. With the way things are going now, I may reconsider. So please, just move the roped off area down (so we are not getting thumped by each others brass) and get rid of the old pissed off range nazi.

[Freiheit]

-1. I disagree and think that the RO's at KCR do a good job.

I have both made minor mistakes (verboten target, targets too close) as well as seen the RO's correct the mistakes of others. They did so firmly and quickly. If they were not direct and aggressive those mistakes could have turned into accidents.

The reality is that there are a lot of new shooters and KCR has gotten busier. This is good thing, but it also means that mixed in with the regulars are some rookies that don't know the routine and need some extra attention.

Having been to ranges from "someones field" to public ranges with no RO to indoor ranges in the city to public ranges with an RO and KCR. KCR is by far the best. The RO's may be stern, but they are there to help watch out for all of us. I would much rather be barked at than have an accident happen.

You would also be surprised to learn that most of the staff at KCR, including the RO's are decent guys. The next time the range is crowded and roped off, try asking nicely before you start ragging on a safety officer.

[Toddstang]

Originally Posted by Freiheit

-1. I disagree and think that the RO's at KCR do a good job.

I have both made minor mistakes (verboten target, targets too close) as well as seen the RO's correct the mistakes of others. They did so firmly and quickly. If they were not direct and aggressive those mistakes could have turned into accidents.

The reality is that there are a lot of new shooters and KCR has gotten busier. This is good thing, but it also means that mixed in with the regulars are some rookies that don't know the routine and need some extra attention.

Having been to ranges from "someones field" to public ranges with no RO to indoor ranges in the city to public ranges with an RO and KCR. KCR is by far the best. The RO's may be stern, but they are there to help watch out for all of us. I would much rather be barked at than have an accident happen.

You would also be surprised to learn that most of the staff at KCR, including the RO's are decent guys. The next time the range is crowded and roped off, try asking nicely before you start ragging on a safety officer.

Ok, I see your point. But you were not there to witness what happend to myself or the original poster. Yes, I was nice when I asked about moving down past the ropped off area and yes the range nazi was a total ass with his reply. This was my first trip since the chamber flags were implemented and I had no knowledge of this. A nice way to tell someone would be, "sir we have rules that require chamber flags, which are sold inside the store." And not " Where is your chamber flag? You cant have firearms out here without them or you will have to leave." Its allways the same guy who is a total jerk. The rest of the staff is really good people who know how to talk to you.

[kentuckianafirearms.com]

Originally Posted by Freiheit

-1. I disagree and think that the RO's at KCR do a good job.

I have both made minor mistakes (verboten target, targets too close) as well as seen the RO's correct the mistakes of others. They did so firmly and quickly. If they were not direct and aggressive those mistakes could have turned into accidents.

The reality is that there are a lot of new shooters and KCR has gotten busier. This is good thing, but it also means that mixed in with the regulars are some rookies that don't know the routine and need some extra attention.

Having been to ranges from "someones field" to public ranges with no RO to indoor ranges in the city to public ranges with an RO and KCR. KCR is by far the best. The RO's may be stern, but they are there to help watch out for all of us. I would much rather be barked at than have an accident happen.

You would also be surprised to learn that most of the staff at KCR, including the RO's are decent guys. The next time the range is crowded and roped off, try asking nicely before you start ragging on a safety officer.

Your points are well taken, but I believe what is missed here is the customer service part. Yes safety first but when a growing number of people keep stating the same thing, it only begs to wonder.

ex. http://forum.kentuckianafirearms.com...ead.php?t=1539

[DETN8R]

Originally Posted by Freiheit

-1. I disagree and think that the RO's at KCR do a good job.

I have both made minor mistakes (verboten target, targets too close) as well as seen the RO's correct the mistakes of others. They did so firmly and quickly. If they were not direct and aggressive those mistakes could have turned into accidents.

The reality is that there are a lot of new shooters and KCR has gotten busier. This is good thing, but it also means that mixed in with the regulars are some rookies that don't know the routine and need some extra attention.

Having been to ranges from "someones field" to public ranges with no RO to indoor ranges in the city to public ranges with an RO and KCR. KCR is by far the best. The RO's may be stern, but they are there to help watch out for all of us. I would much rather be barked at than have an accident happen.

You would also be surprised to learn that most of the staff at KCR, including the RO's are decent guys. The next time the range is crowded and roped off, try asking nicely before you start ragging on a safety officer.

I totally agree I appreciate the safety concern, but this thread was not started to rag the RO's I know it is a tough job, but as stated this is still a customer service position and it has been my experience that in that area it would seem there could be improvement. If we have no avenue to make a concern then we are left to be dictated too like recruits in basic.

[DETN8R]

One more added note it would seem to me since we pay due's or range fee's we should have access to the firing line without lane restrictions if there is nothing else reserved for those lanes, point is why rope off half the firing line when they are busy. I pay my due's yearly but have to wait for a table to clear when half the lanes are roped off. That is just bad business.

[therangenazi]

darn i'm hurt i am the original range nazi & now i have competetion. the reason he does that is because when you have only twenty people shooting why have 46 tables open, because we have to walk that line every time there is a clear to check your weapons and make sure they are clear before everybody can go down range. so why use the whole range when u don't need it makes our job just a little bit easier. & the range flag rules were implemented for our benefit so we can be sure the weapons are unloaded because i have walked that line many times when people said their weapons were unloaded and low & behold guess what. and i'm not just talking about the new shooters i am talking about u supposed seasoned shooters that have been doing this for twenty some years and i quote i know what i'm doing lol. well i watch some of you all for fifteen minutes & i beg to differ. we are just trying to make it safer & make our job a little bit easier,why don't you just get out there and walk that range for 9 hours babysiting u children with guns & u will find out that every little step not taken will be much easier on your feet by the end of the day. it's not like the wild wild west during the week anymore people sorry.if you all would have used common sense and safe gun handling rules they would have not hired one during the week. have a wonderful day

[Toddstang]

Never mind, I will bite my tounge on this one.

[gunman42782]

As the original range nazi said, if you fella's worked here as we do you might have just a little bit different opinion about all this. Some of the supposed seasoned shooters are sometimes the worse ones when it comes to gun safety. Just follow the rules and everything will be better for everyone, and safer too. Hiring the range officer through the week was one of the best things to happen to Knob Creek. He does an outstanding job, IMHO. As does the original nazi! (Didn't want you to feel left out!)